Saturday, April 2, 2011

Filshie Clips are a Pain in the Tubes!

Ok, so I want to talk a little bit about the type of ligation that I had, which are filshie clips.  First of all, let me say that this is my opinion, and my blog, so I'll say what I want. 

I think they suck.  I know that most TR doctors will tell you that they are the easiest to reverse.  Ok.  Score one for the filshie clips.  But do you really want a foreign object inside of you?  I didn't.  Here's my story about my filshie clips. 

When I had my tubal ligation done, I was adamant that I didn't want anything left inside of me.  My tubes were supposed to be done by the pomeroy method.  (See types of ligations page)  What I got instead were filshie clips.  These, in my humble opinion, are the dumbest idea anyone could have come up with.  These clips are made from titanium and they have a silicone lining. They are roughly a half an inch long and an eighth of an inch wide. 



This is probably closer than you would ever want to see them.  But now you know what they look like.

Fishie Clips are put on laproscopically, or during the time of a csection delivery.  They are honored as the gold standard because they are quick and efficient.  There's just one tiny problem with them.   They hurt.  Our insides were meant to be soft and fluid.  Our organs move as we move, swaying gently.  These clips are now left inside, on our fallopian tubes, next to our uterus where they poke and prod and cause pain.  Anyone who says that this is impossible probably has a penis, or at least doesn't have clips.  Many doctors have gone so far to say that women only feel pain from the filshie clips, because they know that they are there.  It is another version of the "its all in your head" song that women hear about PTLS.  But I didn't know they were there.  I found myself in intense pain, especially on my right side.  It started immediately as the pain meds began to wear off in the recovery room.  I was worried that a stitch had come off, or that something else other than my tube was  burnt.  I asked and was told that was not possible.  (But not why that was not possible)

So, my life moved on and I waited for my pain to stop, but it didn't.  It throbbed where the clips were, not so much on the left, but horribly on the right.  It would actually swell up on the right side and it would look like I had a marble under my skin.  I was so afraid that I was living with an untreated infection.  I did the responsible thing and went back to the doctor.  (See My Story of PTLS)  When I finally found out I had the clips it all made sense to me.  It totally felt like I had a foreign object inside of me.  When you pressed on that point I would scream out.  It hurt to sit, to walk, to carry my children.  It hurt to sleep on the right side (which was my favorite spot), and worst of all, it hurt during sex.  The whole point in having my tubes tied was for the sex.  (Just being honest!)  The only time it didn't hurt was when I laid flat on my back.  At night my husband didn't get the wife who wanted sex, he got the wife who wanted to lay still with an icepack on her abdomen. 

Once I found out about the filshie clips from obtaining my operative report, I began to tell my doctors that I thought they were causing my pain.  The second gyno said that it was a common complaint of those that had filshie clips and she would be glad to take out my fallopian tubes.  What???  I wasn't really into curing my pain by causing more damage.  So I turned back to the internet, and to the CHTR website (see my list of doctors) and found so many other women who had the clips and had the same pain.  (They also had ptls, but right now I am just focusing on the pain.)

So, its not just me.  Here's what other women have said:

I am 30 yrs old, a mother of 3; ages 10, 3, and 18 months.  Six weeks after the birth of my third child I had a bilateral tubal occlusion with filshie clips done.  This was April of '09.  I started having pain immediately following the surgery.  It felt like my ovaries were going to burst all the time and that my tubes were being squeezed.   I had the filshie clips removed 10 days ago and in less than 24 hours I noticed a big difference.  I think my body was trying to fight the clips.  For the last 10 months or so I have been waking up with my whole body in pain.  It got worse and worse.  It was getting to be a struggle to get out of bed every day because of the achiness.  EVERY DAY I felt like I had been hit by a bus the day before.  My legs hurt, joints ached, and just felt terrible in general.  I also run about 4 miles a day.  I thought the achiness was either from running or just getting older.  Well the day after my surgery I woke up feeling perfectly fine.  It never even crossed my mind until then that those clips were causing my body to hurt.  As I said, I am ten days post op and have not felt the slightest bit achy since.  How weird is that?

Or how about this one:

  I had a tubal done in August of 2006 and started having mysterious pelvic, abdominal, rib/back pain that continued to worsen.  (I did not know that filshie clips were used in my tubal procedure). The mysterious pain went on for years...because the drs just could not figure out why I had pain they suggested that I have my gall bladder removed - which I did in Feb 2009 (even though I did not have stones and I passed every test/scan).  I continued to go downhill all of last year, and by November I was laying down at every chance.  I went to a number of drs who came up with all kids of ideas: they thought I had nerve pain "left over" from the gall bladder operation, or fibromyalgia, or depression, or IBS and I kept telling all of them NONE of those things "fit".  I finally found a dr who was willing to listen to me and was willing to do surgery to take a look around.  She took out the clips and I no longer have pelvic pain or rib pain!! Those clips were rubbing on my abdominal wall and there is no doubt my body was NOT happy.  I would have never approved ANYTHING being left in me (knotting and cauterizing the tubes was plenty sufficient!)  I have lost a lot of faith in drs and health care in this process, not to mention thousands of dollars in co-pays to reach out of pocket maximums!  Had I been given a CHOICE or warned about the use of them, I might not have spend the last 4 years of my life struggling with pain and fatigue!  

Or this one:

I had the filshie clips put on approx. 2 years ago. Since then I have had constant pain in my lower right and left hand side below my navel and constant bloating. An ultrasound proved nothing was wrong. I then had bleeding in between my menstrual cycle. My gyno decided to do exploratory surgery. It was found that the clips had caused massive adhesions and they were removed at once. Now three days after the surgery I have never felt better. To say the problem is rare, I dont know after reading through the posts it seems to be a bit of a regular occurrence???? Maybe more studies need to be conducted after all.  I now have been recommended to have a hysterectomy due to the damage that has been done.


So, see it's not just me!  Actually you can find so many posts if you look up the search "filshie clips and pain" or "filshie clip removal".  The biggest problem is the pain is in addition to the suffering caused by PTLS.  If I had just had pain from the filshie clips, I would have sought a reversal.  If I just had the symptoms of PTLS, then I would have had the reversal.  But the two combined made me want to die.  And to go to the doctor and have them tell you that it is all in your head is so incredibly wrong. 

The last thing I want to tell you about filshie clips is that they migrate.  Yes, that means move.  Apparently, after the tissue in the clip dies, the clip can come loose and float or migrate around the body.  We are told that this is OK because they are designed to stay in the body indefinitely.  I don't know about you, but for someone who didn't want clips in the first place, I really don't want them if they are going to move around.    Here, see for yourself:


Figure 1

Notice there are two clips on the left hand side of the pelvis.  Hmmmm.....shouldn't there be one on the left, and one on the right?  Not if the right one fell off and is floating around.  There have been other reports of women who had filshie clips come out of their vagina, anus, or end up in their bladder, stomach, spleen or appendix.  That doesn't sound like fun.  My gyno admitted that the last time she did a hysterectomy, the woman had a filshie clip embedded in the side of her uterus.  Hmmmm....could that have caused pain?  It is estimated that this type of migration occurs in 25% of patients.  And doctors who perform tubal reversals say that one or more clips are missing roughly 30% of the time.  Don't you think that women should be told this information before agreeing to filshie clip sterilization?  (I will provide a link at the bottom if you want to read my source) 

So, today as I sit here and type this I can't help but be grateful that the doctor was able to find both of my clips.  I even got to keep them.  You would be amazed at how big they are in your hands, and how rough they are to the touch.  I am so glad to be rid of the pain in my side as well as my ptls symptoms.  If you have filshie clips and are considering removing them due to pain, then I say go for it.  You'll feel better.  I do!

http://www.annals.edu.sg/PDF/37VolNo5May2008/V37N5p438.pdf
Link to Filshie Clip Migration Info

114 comments:

  1. Yes, this is great ..
    Now in this modern world nothing is impossible ..
    Tubal Ligation Reversal is very safe now ..
    but remember the legacy of this operation depends on the doctor moves.so make sure that the doctor has experience in this field.

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  2. I had these clips put on a month ago and the pain hasn't stopped since them.
    All i seem to be doing is taking pain meds and wanting to be in bed. I get my pain mainly in the left side.
    Thank you for posting this i thought it was all in my head.

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  3. Pain from filshie clips is quite real and not all in your head. If you could hold these clips in your hands, you could feel how rough they are. If you drag them across your skin, they will leave a scrape. Imagine what they are doing to your insides! You can get them removed without doing a reversal if you don't want to worry about birth control. Seek help, and don't let anyone tell you that it is all in your head!

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    1. How can u get them removed without doing a reversal? Please let me know. I asked for one type of sterilization and they put clips on me instead. I stay sick and in pain all the time. My health seems to be deteriorating more and more since the procedure and it was done four years ago. Please contact me soon. My email address is redneck.x0x.angel@gmail.com and my cell phone is 256-647-1199

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    2. please let me know as well. I've had problems for a couple years and my Gyno keeps telling me I'm crazy. shaynecandy10@yahoo.com

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  4. i had a tubal in 2000 and im not sure what kind it was..but i came across your blog and i have been experiencing all these symtoms for years, to the point of the dr. telling me I may have fibromyaglia and or nerve damage on my left side. the pain is always on the left. Also, about 5 years ago, a radiologist noted a "surgical clamp" in a place where it should not be, near my left hip/spine area. I wonder if this could be a floating filshie clip that is causing me pain.

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  5. It very well may be a floating clip. Get your operative report from the hospital or center where the surgery was performed. It should (hopefully) state what type of ligation you had. If it is a clip (the are filshie and hulka clips) they can be removed. Also be aware that these clips are becoming popular for used during other surgeries to cut out operating time. So if you have had other abdominal surgeries such as gallbladder or appendix, you should get the reports from them as well. Blessings to you!

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  6. I had mine put in after the birth of my second son, December 2008. I have been having some unrelated back pain (scoliosis) so i had an xray done to check the curvature of my spine. What i saw was 2 clips on my right side!!! I had never heard of this before! I immediately called my gyno and set up an appointment. I told the nurse about the xray and she said she had never heard of one moving before. What gets me is i was in that office 3 months ago because of painful cycles. Ultrasound showed nothing...but the clips dont show up on ultrasound. Also, i have been in the hospital twice and the minute clinic once because of severe lower abdominal pain. I thought it was my appendix. 2 days...only have to wait 2 more days. Im telling my doctor i want these out!!!

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    1. Hi Hope, did they figure out why both of them were on the right side? I had an xray done and mine showed the same thing. I have an appointment next month, but I would really like to know if this is common.

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  7. During the c section birth of my second child in July 2010 I had a TL. I had signed the papers for a TL never knowing that clips were going to be used let alone even existed for a TL. Needless to say I have been experiencing a host of PTLS symptoms every since his birth. Until doing some research this weekend (while being in the most excruciating pain I've had thus far) I had never even heard of PTLS. I wasn't aware that these "wonderful" little clips could even be the cause of all my issues until I ran across your blog!! I can't thank you enough for putting this out there. I'm worried however that even now that I have an idea of what is causing it all that the dr.'s won't agree and will want to throw pills at me, or worse like perform a hysterectomy. From what I've read a reversal will possibly help but insurance doesn't cover it! Doesn't cover it??? How can it not cover it when it's for health reasons?? Do you happen to know if there is any way around getting insurance to pay? Can you get the insurance to pay for removing clips and instead knotting the tubes instead? I'm so upset that this could even happen. Nothing was ever advised to me that there could be any kind of issues after having a TL, clips or no clips. I'm only 30 and the thought of going the rest of my life with pain like this is devastating. My dr. may have thought she was doing me a favor by using the clips (so if I changed my mind about kids I'd have a greater chance to conceive) but at this point I feel betrayed. She could have asked me what I wanted, could have at least mentioned it so I could have done some research to decide. To me I think she took the quick and lazy way of doing it. I'll be the one either stuck with a lifetime of pain or foot the bill for a reversal...yeah, I feel betrayed and stupid for not asking more questions. I was too distracted with concerns of my c section to think about what could go wrong with a TL. Again, thank you, thank you, for putting this out there. Women everywhere will hopefully read this and decide against these "nifty" little clips and save themselves years of pain.

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  8. I had theses clips put on in 2009, they did them at the time of my 2nd sons birth, which was a c-section, I had a previous c-section on "06" with my oldest son and my recover was not bad at all, but with second one it was much longer and had pelvic pain, night flashes, and other symptoms for months, the pain never went away, but I some how just push through it every day. Well about 5 months ago i was informed I had thr filshie clips put on, and within the last 5 months I have been to the Er about 4 times had several pelvic exams, and ultrasounds and my Obgyn never has an answer for my pain, I have mentioned the clips maybe causing my pain and they all look at me like I'm crazy. All I kno is being in pain everyday, and not being able to sleep having to raise 2 boys is starting to take a toll on me.... Any advice on Wht I should do!?!?

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  9. Yes, Insurance will pay for this IF you just want the clips out and don't want a reversal. They will go in and remove the clips, and cauterize (burn) the tubes if necessary. I say if necessary because the clips have already killed a portion of tissue surrounding the tubes. Many times the clips can be removed and nothing else is necessary. Another option that will be offered to you is the removal of your entire tubes. I would suggest that you turn this down. There is blood flow to your ovaries that is supplied through the tubes and you are risking further damage to your ovaries. To the young mother with two boys, I would suggest a reversal. Those of you who are young would receive a greater benefit of a reversal. You could go with an IUD if you really want to be protected against pregnancy. You need your ovaries to function optimally, and having a tubal so young might harm your health in the long run. Blessings to you all.

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  10. Ok today I went to see a "specialist". Like you said he wanted to remove my tubes as well as the clips. I'm thinking I need a reversal if I'm having PTLS (hormonal imbalances like hot flashes, facial hair and mood swings). Also like you've said this isn't recognized by the medical community as a syndrome that even exists so he considered the abdominal pain a separate issue from the hormonal changes. He advised me NOT to have a reversal done for any other reason than having kids, said that if I had it done for pain relief and the dr. agreed to do it for that reason and it didn't work then I could sue for malpractice...what do you ladies think? Should I just lie and get this over? I can't wrap my head around taking OUT my tubes when just clamping them off has caused my body to go nuts and act like I'm going into menopause!! This is truly insane, frustrating and feels so hopeless.

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  11. I am so sorry that I didn't get back to you sooner. Don't remove your tubes. Causing more damage in my opinion is not going to help. My doc did tell me that he could not guarantee that the reversal would take the pain away, but it did. As far as hormones go, the only way to make things more functional again is to go for the reversal. This may mean lying about wanting to have more kids. No one knows how badly you feel except other women who have been through this. I invite you to join our group on facebook called "ptls private support group" it is a closed group to you have to ask permission to join, and it is locked so your posts and answers can only be seen by others in that group. Come join us.

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  12. What us the cost for having these filshie clips removed? I too have ben experiencing these type of pain, I had mines put in 11 years ago.. And now wanting another baby I got my surgery report and saw that I have these clips in.. Thank you for your help..

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  13. Cost is usually somewhere around the $5000 dollar range, in the USA, but can be as high as 14K. Check out Chapel Hill in North Carolina. People come from all over the world to this facility, and Dr. Berger is one of the most highly trained surgeons in this field. The best part is that they are one of the most affordable. And talk to a few different doctors before choosing your surgeon.

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  14. I had these put on as well in 2006, be 6yrs feb.16,2012. My left clip has came off a little over 2yrs ago. Im wanting more children so I hope for the best.

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  15. The clips have done their damage, and on or not you need a reversal to be able to have children again. I'm sorry to say that. :(

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  16. Hi Michelle thanks soo much for your story Im glad I came across it..I was admitted to hospital just recently with a ruptured ovarian cyst only to find out thru scans/xrays etc...that one of my clips have detached and is floating round in my abdomen the doctors did nothing about it and sent me home with antibiotics...I asked questions...Can I get pregnant?...What sort of side effects will this have on me?...Can it be removed?...Is it dangerous?...there answers "I dont know"...WTF!!!..this is very frustrating as had the clips put on around 17-18yrs ago just after I had my youngest son...I have 3 wonderful boys...I have had soo many cramps/abdomen upsets to last me a lifetime not to mention...how long has this clip been floating round if I hadnt have gone into hospital and had these test I would not have knowen and would have put my pains down to period pains as I have done for years..I am yet to go see a gyno to get my answers and to also either get them removed or get a hysterectomy done...Im at a loss right now but do know that I want my body back to normal...personally I think this is quite serious Im like you foreign objects...aaanah!!!

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  17. While I am sorry to see so many ladies struggling with Fislche clips, it's not bad for everybody. I had mine done a week ago today and only needed pain meds for about 2 days (if that). I'm having no issues at all. And Michelle I'm glad to see you're out of pain now.

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  18. I can not thank you enough for your bolg! I really thought I was going crazy. My family thinks I am crazy along with the DOCTORS!! I will be finding a new doctor ASAP!

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  19. I'm so glad you are not in pain Kamikaze! As long as your body tolerates the metal, and they didn't clip a nerve, ideally, you should not be in pain. But, for many women they would say that initially they felt fine. We all have to do what is best for us, and I just want women to be able to go to the doctor and have the doctors admit that sometimes pain is a side effect of the clips.

    @Christi, you my dear are not going crazy, it's not in your head. Find a new doc, and look up info on the chapel hill website of Dr. Berger to print out info to take with you to the doctors. Find a Reproductive Endocrinologist to see, as they are more likely to hear of these issues.

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  20. Well, I had mine done 7 days ago and I have bad pain on my right side through to my back. My left hurts mildly. I also have what feels like a pelvic spasm. I am going back to the doctor today because I know something is wrong. Originally I thought I had an ovarian cyst, but now I am not sure. The cyst will show up on the ultrasound so that can be ruled out easily.

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  21. I am 34 years old and I had my TBL done in 2007 (by a military doctor, I am in the Army) and as of last week I have been experiencing sharp pain in my lower abdomen area. My husband took me to the ER immediately. I could barely walk, I was doubled over with sharp stabbing pain in my abdomen. At the hospital they did an abundance of test, e.g., pelvic examine, abdomen ultrasound, vagina ultrasound and a CT scan. What they found was one of the clips were missing from my tubes (and they also discovered a mass that is positive for the characteristics of a fibroid). When the doctor came in to tell us that they found absolutely nothing wrong with me but only a missing clip. He was so nonchalant and when we asked where was the clip exactly, he said it was floating around in my pelvic region. As not being surprised by his calmness of the situation, he said that this is not an URGENT situation, I was appalled. He gave me medication and sent me home. The medication he gave to me is for treating someone with IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome), REALLY!!! Now one week later, I am still suffering with this pain and I am unable to get an GYN appointment no sooner than 2-4 weeks. I went to the doctor again this morning because of the pain and I am now on bed rest for the next three days with Vicodin and Mobic (no clue what this is for). I do not understand how and why this is not considered an emergency but as you stated Michelle, the doctor who is saying it isn't serious enough for immediate attention has a penis. If something isn't done about this within the next couple of days, I am going to Patient Advocacy and filing a complaint. This is ridiculous, their job is to take care of Soldiers...well, this Soldier is being treated like crap. Can anyone help me? I really do not know what else to do, other than file a complaint.

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    1. I also have the clips and is causing me a lot of pain, I looked into a reversal but as u all know it cost almost 7 grand where I live I live in Pa and I do not have the money to get it reversed and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions thanks

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  22. I had my TL done with these stupid clamps 18 months ago. I finally have seen a GYN in my practice that is willing to take them out. What are the chances of becoming pregnant again? Im 24 and have 3 children already. I was wondering if i was going to need use birth control? Please email me Joannalynn25@gmail.com
    Thank you

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  23. so glad I came across your page. I had the op done 2 years ago and the surgeon put 2 clips on each tube. I was hoping a reversal would be possible, but after researching it, I think my chances are slim. Still, at least I now know what the burning cramps and excess facial hair have been caused by :(

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  24. Do you think your chances are slim because you have two on each side?? Even with two your chances areole successful than with the pomeroy method. If its cost that concerns you, many places have payment plans, and some medical loans finance it.

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  25. Do you think your chances are slim because you have two on each side?? Even with two your chances areole successful than with the pomeroy method. If its cost that concerns you, many places have payment plans, and some medical loans finance it.

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  27. I had my surgery on the NHS. A reversal on one tube maybe available on the NHS. The trouble is because the clips have a gap between them on each tube, I don't know if the healthy tissue would stretch as far as needed to be rejoined. I haven't been to the doctor yet to know what my options are, but I do remember the surgeon telling me at the time of the operation that it was not reversible!

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  28. I had my right fallipion tube remove 6 years ago after pain became unbearable, apparently the fallipion tube with the clips on it was so rotten it was down on my bladder (explains the bladder infections for 6 years)it was all removed. I now have the pains back again, and a hip xray shows 4 filchie clips, i was horrified, why are they still in there, and what on earth are they now attached to, as i no longer even have a fallopian tube on that side, my doctor says, its fine, its not that its bursitis of the hip and keeps sending me for cortizone injections which dont work, he went mad when i asked to see a gyno about it, im now waiting for an appointment with one that could be as long as 3 months, lets hope i dont drop dead in the meantime!

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  29. Oh dear oh dear ...I actually asked to have this surgery done in 2008, it was easy and I did not relate any of the pain and effects that have happened to me for all this year until only a few days.
    I was 42 and in pre menopausal state, so some months I had my period, some not...a stressful situation.
    I was told they did not just cut off and burn....but clipped...but I had no test done to see if the clips were going to have a reaction on me...was not told what they were and I never asked.
    A months after the surgery I had the first signs, HORRIBLE FULL BLAST MENOPAUSE; Then I had tendinitis in my Achilles tendons, that never healed,had to stop running and therefor gained weight, got depressed... even after seeing 3 different specialist and trying all sorts of treatment. I lost sleep because of the intense hot flashes and night sweats,sometimes 20 times per nights, then extreme fatigue, lost slowly my eyes sights, and then my memory....then developed a coins shape rash...that did not itch or burn or anything, on my arms and legs, very slowly, but now have 4 and 2 coming on, then photo sensitivity to UV's, and Lupic signs on my face ...muscle spasm at night and totally lost my muscles tones...my 40 years ago appendicitis scar starting getting inflamed..3 weeks ago I started getting pains on my sides that are getting worse and worse...throbbing all the time, and right now, as I type this!!!I am very lucky to be in France and under an incredible social system...a single mom of an 18 years old daughter, if this had happened to me in the US I would have been in big trouble.I am seeing my gynecologist Monday and want these thing OUT OF ME RIGHT NOW. And will also give your blog to all the dc that have tried so hard to help me for the last 3 years, some sincerely great, this needs to be out and the lab making these thing needs to be dragged into the pain they are inflicting on all of us. MERCI thank you so so much for putting this together for it is the only reliable source I found to guide me and validate THAT IT WAS NOT IN MY HEAD...and oh yes I am about to rip some French doctor's head off if I ever hear this again.

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  30. I'm kicking myself in the rear right now because I had a link that said prior to the agreement for use in the US, they were aware that the filshie clips caused a systemic reaction in some patients. And now I can't find the link.

    @viv get those clips out if you can. I am so sorry that you have been through so much. Sadly, it doesn't surprise me. I wish I could change doctors minds about this, but many believe it's all in our heads. We have to speak out to all of the women we know and stop the silent suffering that is going on with these tubals. Many women tell the one person they think will listen: their doctor! And what do they do, but blow you off and tell you that it is all in your head. It's an embarrassment to the gyno profession that more of these doctors aren't up on the latest information. Shame on them. I hope you get all the help you need.

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  31. ive been to the hospital 2 times since posting the first time with pains so bad i cant even walk, that doctor wants me to c a bone doctor now, i showed him the xray of the clips, he said there meant to be able to stay in the body for a long time, not to worry there just sitting there, they cant cause u any harm, still waiting on an appointment for a gyno and still on antibiotics and still getting bladder infections, and im on the tablets while being tested and told i have an infection in the bladder still!! Am thinking all doctors are totally blind!!

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  32. I feel so stupid. I used to trust doctors, but after my last birth and now this, I have lost all faith in the medical community. I actually elected for the stupid clips. I wanted a tubal, and so far haven't really experienced any adverse symptoms from the tubal itself, but I'm starting to think the horrible abdominal pain I've experienced off and on since my surgery is because of these clips.

    I had my tubal Nov 2011, but have been breastfeeding the whole time, so I don't know if PTLS symptoms might arise later after my son is weaned. I had the choice between Filshie clips and Esure, and seeing as how we were about to lose our health insurance, I opted for the Filshie clips because their effects are immediate, no waiting, testing, and extra doctor appointments. It never even occurred to me that putting metal clips inside my body would be a bad thing, especially since it came with the doctor's endorsement. Recovery was a bit rougher than they led on, but I just assumed that was normal, after all, my c/s recovery was a lot rougher than most women say theirs is.

    In January I woke up in the most intense pain I had ever experienced. So bad that I couldn't hardly get out of bed. I called my husband at work and asked him to come home because I couldn't take care of the kids. When he came home and found me in the fetal position on the living room floor sobbing in pain he insisted that I go to the ER. They did every test under the sun. It wasn't the appendix, it wasn't the gallbladder, it wasn't ectopic pregnancy, every single test they ran came up negative. I had and EKG, an abdominal U/S, a vaginal probe U/S, blood drawn, urine and stool samples. They had no answers and knew I was in pain as I was still crying while having a morphine drip. The doctor finally said that it must have been a ruptured ovarian cyst, made me an appointment to see and OB/GYN, and sent me home with some narcotics. By the time of my appointment two days later the pain was completely gone, so we agreed that it must have been a cyst. Well, this pain, that I've since come to associate with ovarian cysts, comes and goes a lot. So much so that the doctor here at the free clinic insisted I have and U/S to check for PCOS. Nope. I've just been living with this sharp pain and no one could ever tell me what's causing it. Knowing that these clips have a tendency to migrate, why on earth has this not been looked into? People experience horrible pain and infections from surgical instruments being left inside them by accident, so why is it so hard to think that a metal clip floating around some one's body would do the same damage? I wish I could at least get an x-ray to see where the clips are, if they've moved. I guess there's really no point though, considering that I'd not be able to do anything about it any way until we get health insurance again, which will take several years. I just wish I could have been warned about this, or even just told of the possibility of them migrating. I feel like I didn't have a true informed consent.

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  33. Wow, after reading all of these posts, I feel like these damn clamps have been the source of my pain. I am 28 yrs olf and have had 4 kids. After my last baby, I had my tubes tied. I lived thru 3 years of pain. Had numerous dr.s tell me it was all in my head, tried the merana IUD...to help stop my cycle...was excrutiatingly painful. I could not cough, sneeze, walk, drive without getting the breath knocked out of me. Not to mention I bled consitantly while I had it. So I begged dr to remove IUD and insisted on exploritory surgery to see why I had all this pain. The day of surgery, the dr comes in and tells me, we'll look but I'm sure there nothing...turns out I had endomitriosis as well as filshie clipps that were floating around my abdomin. So they reclamped my tubes and now I am post op for nearly a week and in so much pain on my left side that I can barely walk, get up and down and relying on percocet....very pissed that these clamps are in my body and now feel like I have the proper info to take to me dr. I want these clamps out asap!

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  34. After Reading this and seeing many of the women s post comments about these clips,clamps. scares me, I have had the surgery 4 years ago after my 3rd Child when i was 22 years old, since the surgery I have nothing but problems. in the last @ years the doctors have diagnosed me with Gallbladder issues, Gurd, i get a whole lots of pain all through my waist and stomach area, even sometimes when i stretch i and feel the clips and it hurts. I get ovarian cyst which i never had before, but with my insurance i do not know if they would cover it removing the clips, they did when i got them i dont know about removing them. i am tired of the pain when i am a very healthy person since these i am not active cause of the pain

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  35. finally got an appointment with a gyno at the hospital and he has agreed to find them and take them out, but he said that he doesn't believe its these clips that are causing me pain, i said we will hold judgement till after there out, but the downside, ive filled in all the paperwork to be admitted and told it could be another 90 days before i know the date of admission so no closer to getting them out still! and they wonder why people commit suicide!!

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  36. I am glad to have found your blog, I have been searching endlessly for information on these horrible clips. I had my tubal in 2009, right after my 3rd child was born. I did not want anymore kids, and after being laid off from a good paying job it would be impossible to afford. Call me what you will, but adoption is no option either, I love my kids from discovering the positive test until birth, i could not ever carry one of my own 9 months just to give it away to uncertainty. Anyway, I have had horrible pains in my right side mostly, and some sharper but less often on my left. I went to the ER one night, husband brought me in. I couldn't function at all. They ran some tests & scared me to death scooting me out of the room before ever explaining a thing. I was pregnant! ..No congratulations though, even if it had come to term it would not have been a good thing for us, I got the tubal ligation for a reason and i meant it 100%. It was ectopic, so it had to be removed for my health before a rupture. Turns out my clips fell off and are somewhere inside me, which I cannot stand the thought of, especially considering the doctor told me she put 2 on each side, which means I have 4 missing clips. How can they act like it's no big deal!? I don't understand how it can't be!! I wanted the cauterization(burned) type, but got this crap instead. I wonder, what I paid for since it did not work and I am not protected at all now? I'm shunning my husband because I am too afraid to get pregnant but i'm sure you know what that does to a relationship, it's not good. I tried to get the performing doctor (Who turns out, has been the surgeon for the areas majority of FAILED clips resulting in pregnancies, to help me fix this. I cannot be more clear, I am dead serious 100% positive 3 kids is enough for me, one more and I'll be having a heart attack from the stress & mess. No joke, I'm not one to regret those choices, I cannot bare the thought of having an accident. Which is why I got the surgery, and what does she tell me? No apologies, just offers to be my prenatal doc for "when" I have another baby, like it was her plan just to get more customers in her personal clinic. I have avoided it for a year, but ready to challenge it now. I can't stand for it. her negligence put me through a procedure I shouldn't have had to face, having a fetus cut from my tubes, that if I had not seen the ER doc for, could have killed me; taking me from my 3 growing kids & husband. Not to mention I feel extremely betrayed, she told me it was 100% protection and we had "absolutely nothing to worry about". She won't fix it, She hasn't tried to even apologize, and refuses to do it again unless she gets paid again, plus the cost of the extra 2 clips from the first time. I just...I am beside myself with hurt, and anger and this stupid pain that won't leave me alone. I mean really, my Mother had the cauterization tubal in 1983 after I was born, never had a problem with it. Is modern medicine really less reliable than that of almost 30 years ago??

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  37. I had filshie clips put in 2004, I hurt for three yrs before I found a doctor who listened.in 2007 after exploratory surgery, I had one floating around,so much scar tissue /adhesions it caused my bowels, bladder, groin, ovaries etc, to all grow together . They also did a bowel dissection ?? According to operative report. Now I have one clip ( they should've removed it while they were in there in my opinion. ) I hurt still , ....

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  38. I had these clips put in March 2007. About 4-6 months after my surgery, I noticed everything began to change... weight gain, unpredictable and very heavy periods, depression, bloating, irritability, menopause-like symptoms and PAIN! It feels as if someone is stabbing me in my ovaries. I've had countless ultrasounds and blood work and nothing shows up. No cyst, no endometriosis, nothing. I had one doctor tell me that I had 2 children now and I'm getting older so these things happen.(I was 25 when I had this procedure, I'm 31 now) Finally found a gyno that would listen to me and then my husband lost his job so we lost our insurance. Now, almost 6 years later, I have insurance and I have a surgery date scheduled in February and I couldn't be happier to get these things out of my body. I am a little nervous as to what kind of damage these clips have done to my body that can't be undone or if the clips are even still attached to my tubes or floating around in my body like I've found to be the case from a lot of post. I urge anyone who is considering having this procedure done to do your research first, I wish I had.

    Thanks for your blog. :)

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  39. i have mine removed in 3 weeks time, i will be letting u all know the outcome.

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  40. After reading this I figured I would share my story. I had my tubes tied in January of 2008. I woke up from surgery to the sound of my own screams. I felt like my insides were in a vice. It was the most pain I have ever been in. I could not get off of the couch for 4 weeks just from the surgery (a very arrogant doctor who actually had the nerve to tell me "I had a hard time getting in there because you had a lot of fat on your abdomin" I really wasn't fat) After about a year I called the doctor who performed the surgery because of the pain. "I did a perfect surgery, but I can look around and see what could be causing your pain" Um no thank you you already screwed up once I'll pass. I went to my gyno and she tried birth control then finally after another year of pain I went back and told her I couldn't handle it anymore. She suggested maybe it was endomitriosis (forgive my god awful spelling). I had a d&c and laproscopic surgery for endometriosis and she took pictures which I have and you can clearly see these awful evil clips. She said she could send me to a fertility doctor to have the clips removed or she could remove my tubes. I don't like the idea of losing my tubes at all. I need these things out of my body. I was so happy to see this wasnt all in my head. MY sister in law had her tubes tied almost 2 years ago and she is having the exact same problem.

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  41. Oh my gosh ladies. To hear these stories. Finally I'm understanding what's been going on with my body. Well I'm 34 now and had my baby boy in 2001, and having a csection. And when I tell you i have days I can't get out of bed, cnt get up or dwn, toss and turn in bed or whether I'm sitting up, Shoot I just hurt all the time. I stop taking the pain meds because I didn't want my body or myself to get addicted to them about 8 1/2 hrs ago. But thank God I have a Wonderful husband that see's the pain I go threw. He's the one telling me to keep searching for some Info. Because I was to young for all the emotions I be going threw with my body.So now I know, Thanks Ladies!

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  42. Like everyone else on here im thankful for finding your blog also....I had my clips put in back in july of 2011 and I was fine up until a couple of months ago I started with hot flashes and I thought I was going thru like pre menopause I have been having very very bad pain on my left side lower abdomen like someone is stabbing me and it runs down my leg and causes my knee to hurt and now I come to realize that when I stretch or sneeze I can feel them and its painful, I just saw my gyn that I have been seeing for 8yrs now and she just ordered me an ultrasound and to get blood work done I gave her a urine sample and I have blood in my urine so she put me on antibiotics so I have to go back to her next week so she can let me know whats going on but reading all these post im gearing towards these clips to be the problem.

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  43. Well, as with so many of you, I am thankful that I too found this page. Here is my story, I am a mother of 5 children. I had my last child five years ago. My last child a boy, was 10lbs 5 oz and the birth wasn't that bad, he was needing a little "pulling" assistance as he came out. I got the tubal ligation surgery the same day after he was born. I wasn't told nothing about them, I was just told they would be "clipped". I have terrible allergies to some metals and foods so I am wondering if it is a possiblity that I could be having an allergic reaction? I did see something posted on here about something like this that your body could be trying to get the "foreign" substance out. The next day when I was sent home, without my son, he had to stay behind, but when I was sent home, I started retaining water, my feet hands and face where like twice their original size. I was feeling horrible and I hardly could get out to the store to buy things. With the swelling, I started having a bit of heart pains!! My sister told me to get to the ER immediately!! They admitted me on the diagnosis of having heart failure, but then they told me pulmonary hypertension and then other diagnoses. I am thankfully not plagued with high blood pressure, but I had terribly high pressure when admitted. I don't think they knew either. I went thru tons of test and machines and still nothing. I was in there for 10 days getting the water rentention under control. I was finally released without a diagnosis. Terrifying for me still not knowing. I also an having the major pains on the left side a little on the right, the pain was so bad brought me to my knees right there in the supermarket. I too have terribly heavy periods and to be blunt..I have so much pain with intercourse that I am scared to do it. I still do, but man alive..in so much pain!!! I try to take a 800 mg tablet of Motrin to hopefully ease the pain, but it only touches it barely. I have too as many of you been to my Gyn who did tests and even took a sample of tissue from up there with the results of nothing's wrong. I have been told I have IBS, food reactions, problems due to my thyroid disorder, liver problems or my gallbladder is "tired". Huh??? I get some relief to read these posts and know that may have a chance of being pain free. I would like to get a reversal and to get these things out. I should have never put them in in the first place..regretting so bad!! My body probably is trying to get them out by giving me all these symptoms. I feel for all of you and especially for those who have had these sypmtoms for so long!!

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  44. Well ladies, as I approach the 11 month mark, I've had periods on a random cycle. After this last one, I've still had cramping. The left side started today & it's a very sharp, stabbing pain. I go on for my annual in a few days but I've taken 1/2 Vicodin & a muscle relaxer which didn't seem to help. So I tried Percocet. It's not really helping either. I can't help but wonder if it's my clip. Wish me luck!

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  45. I would like to get a change and to get these factors out. I should have never put them in in the first position.
    Tubal Ligation Reversal

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  47. hi ladies ok i had my surgery and he found only 1 clip the other 3 he said not to worry about im mad as hell ive since made my doctor sent me for a ct scan 2 clips are up against my L5 vertebra of my spine and the other us up in my hip area but he said dont stress over that ive also contacted Erin brocovich as she is planning a civil class act law suite against the company supplying these dam things to us women so get to her web site ladies and tell your story and lets get these things banned for good!!! and go to facebook and type in PTLS (post tubal ligation syndrome) and get on board in the fight!!!!! c u all there

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  48. @ Kym did you email her or call Erin Brocovich? I have had chronic pain since my tubal including that the filshie clip tool malfunctioned and they where only able to retrieve one and the other one is floating around in me. I always hurt. Sex hurts, wearing tampons hurts, I have chronic pain, PMS, and I am just starting to get depressed from the constant pain. I also have break through bleeding and when I am ovulating or about to start my period the pain doubles me over. It was so bad I though I had appendicitis. My tubal was done 2009!!!

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  49. I had my tubes tied in 2005. The Dr told me he was going to cut and cauterize them. When I asked 1 year later about reversal the same Dr's office told me it was impossible because my tubes were cut and cauterized. I developed pain, stomach issues, joint pain, severe fatigue. In 2008 my gallbladder was removed because it was no longer functioning. In 2009 I had to go part time, then lost my job 6 months later due to my illness. 2010 I was put on lupus meds so I could use my hands again. By 2011 my Cardiologist, Rheumatologist, and family Dr's all told me I should work ever. I'm 35 year old and I can't work, clean house, take care of my kids or even walk more than 10 minutes Doctors orders. 2 years ago I started losing weight and unable to eat. I'm 5'6 and weighted 150lbs 2 years ago, today I weight 123 on a good day, 117 on bad. I had surgery Dec 2012 to remove cysts from my ovaries and scar tissue by a new Dr. After my surgery he told me there was major scar tissue because of clamps... That I never knew about. So I'm scheduled to have them removed and my appendix in May 20. It's been a long 8 years but after finding this website I finally have hope

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  50. ladies even with them burnt u can now have tubal reversal check your area via goodle and come and join the group PLTS post tubal ligation syndrome its a closed group and i need to ask for an invite but the conversations from ladies having reversal will enlighten u all, u must come and read the horror stories and the life changing reversal stories, and chicaf i have emailed her still waiting on a reply as lots of women from this group have emailed her also so it could be a long wait on a call back!!

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  51. I had this procedure done in 1993 and after reading a lot of your stories i realize that a lot of symptoms i had in the years after were the same. In 2008 i started to have a very bad pain in my right hand side i have had this and constant stomach pain since then, i have had various scans etc. but nothing has ever explained the pain the doctors just kept telling me i had IBS which i never agreed with as the pain is constant day and night especially in bed lying down at night i also said i could feel something on that side when i lay down raised my leg etc. but the doctors just didn't seem to listen to me! Three days ago after having two days of excruciating pain i expelled a Filchie clip when i was urinating, i saw an out of hours doctor who was baffled and hadn't any idea about it, i then went to see my own doctor who was the same i was only given pain killers. Two days after the first clip came out a second one has now come out in the same way, i have felt very unwell and had bad stomach pain i have no idea if these clips have caused scarring or how long they have been floating about in my body but i am sure this is what's been causing my pain The doctors seem very unconcerned to me. None of this is right i was never told anything about these clips when i was steralized all those years ago and it's certainly not normal to have metal clips with rough edges floating around your body who knows what damage they could have done! I am now waiting to see if the pain goes.

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  52. Oh wow i had these done 15 years ago and i. Have been in alot of pain had appendix removed gall bladder removed and 2 months ago had ultra sound done on every oregon in my body and. My dr has no clue. Why im in pain lol sent me to pain clinic

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  53. https://www.facebook.com/groups/PTLSisREAL/

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  54. I had my tubal done in 2007 I found out that my left clip has fallen off and is sitting on my right side. I can't say how I know this but it was not my dr that told me. I have been have ABD issues since I had my tubal but never related the two together until now. I have been in ER twice this month with complaints of severe pain in my right side. I am severely bloated and have not had a bowel movement in three weeks. I was told me secum on right side is full of stool. So I'm given heavy duty laxatives and have yet to have results. Since learning that my clip has migrated I am really considering that it is blocking me. Now to get someone to listen. I am going for an ultra sound today and then I will visit my dr who said my pain is possibly from my ovary. I think he's wrong and I'm blocked because of the clip. Eventually, I will perforate my bowel, become septic and be very ill if something is not done. I am an RN so I do think of the worst possible issues but really how long can you go without acing a BM & without eating. Food just sits in my tummy making me feel even worse.

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  55. Update on my situation i have now had an x ray and there are two more clips on my left side and one on the right that makes 5 clips altogether counting the two that previously came out! As 5 is a strange number i'm assuming they put 3 on each side so that means one is missing! i now have to wait for a cat scan to see where the clips actually are i am really upset with all this i'm still in pain and just want to get this sorted out once and for all! The doctor's in my opinion do not listen to the patient who know's her own body i was sick of being told i had IBS

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  56. Thanks so much for starting this blog as I to had this done in 2011 and the past year has been hell. I have no ins anf havr been yo the er in terrible pain 4x including this past friday. First time...they said cyst on kidney...2nd time ovarian cysts....3rd time a blocked fallopian tube...this last time...my clips are migrating...the er dr said...good news your not pregnant..bad news both your clips ar e migrating and u can become pregnant most likely ectopic which can be deady if not caught early....so I ask you ladies for help...wtf do I do w no health ins? I cant deal w the pain anymore...my sex life sucks and how long can I deprive my husband? Im always constipated have issues urinating in a steady stream and at times strain to pee...this last episode I had heavy bleeding w clits half the size of my fist...pls if u have any advice email me... bshandelman@gmail.com. ive had a nurse and a few people tell me to go to the city hospital (umc here in vegas) and they will have to do something...but who knows...I just cant function like this anymore. Btw I am 30 w 3 children ages 6 3 and 2

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  57. I am so glad i foynd this blog as well, i had surgery on May 28th, 2013 because i qent into the ER woth chronic abdomen pain. tbey did a ct scan, vaginal ultrasound, and a regular ultrasound and told me that i had a cyst rupture and was having bleeding in my stomach. They wanted to do surgery because my blood levels had dropped and blood pressure, while in surgery they told me that they pulled 600cc of blood off my stomach but also had to remove my fishie clamps because they were not in the right place. The doctor said that both were found embedded in the left side of my pelvis. Very shocking too me i had them put on in 2006 after i had my son since i was 21 and had two children already. At post op surgery appointment she suggested that since it was a failure i could get them replaced without cost but first she wanted to send me for a HSG test which i take Tuesday to see if my tubes are even functional. But after having them come off and migrate like they did i would nevet and i mean never get anything like that again i feel like i went through pain for nothing!

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  58. Thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this! I had an endometrial ablasion and tubal ligation with two clips on either side three years ago. I've had worsening pain on my left side ever since. I went to ER last night with the worst it's ever been. Thanks to this blog I asked for an xray. The doctor said he thinks I have a cyst, which is probably right. I've had cysts before, but this felt worse than just a cyst. I had toradol AND morphine and was still in intense pain. I had two natural births and this is comparable in pain level.

    The xray showed the clips on right are between ovary and uterus (where they should be) but left are above and to the outside of the ovary. Dr said it was because the tubes between the clips were cut and the tubes can go any which way with the clips dangling on the end. But the one that should be connected to the uterus end is way up next to the ovary. The tube is not that long. The one connected to the ovary is 2 inches above and to left of the ovary. Not even close to where it should be.

    When I asked if that could be causing or making pain worse the doctor insisted it wouldn't. I don't buy it! I saw the clips! I have an ultrasound today. I'm going to see if I can find a doctor who will listen.

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  59. Another update on my situation i went to gynea appointment last week and saw a surgeon he has recommended me to have an op they will have a look round with a camera to see what's going on and also try to take out the 3 remaining clips i can't wait and will be shouting from the rooftops if this finally puts an end to my pain! I said to him it can't be right to have foreign objects floating about in the body he said why? he said fillings are foreign objects and earrings!! what!! i said it was well seen he was a man making comments like that.

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  60. Hello, I am 47 and I had my tubes tied after my second son was born. The procedure was done during my c section. I clearly remember my doctor saying, Are you sure you want this done? It is irreversible. I said YES! I had 2 boys and I could not afford another. I was very fertile, birth control did not work, and in the 80s, they did not have the options the offer today. Not to say that any of them are great! I got pregnant 3 times on birth control, miscarrying in-between the 2 boys. While I was laying on the table, I was never told clips would be used, ever, in fact my doctor told me the would be burned.
    2 years later, I had been suffering with pain so bad, I would have to be rushed to the hospital, my periods were always painful! I was told by many doctors, it was in my head, I left one office calling the doctor a quack! I was so mad! The hospital got so tired of seeing me in the emergency room, they finally scheduled me for a laparoscope procedure, where they look inside of you. Prior to this procedure, I had to get blood work done, The blood work came back that I was pregnant! I told them, that could not be possible, my tubes were tied, ( irreversible)That's when the nurse told me it's not 99% full proof. I told her, "That was NEVER TOLD TO ME". They made me go back for another blood test, it was 5 tests all saying YES I was pregnant. So, the day I was scheduled for surgery, I would get the 6th blood test results. I showed up to the hospital, they put me in a gown, and the doctor came in to tell me that the numbers reversed, which means I miscarried.
    He said the numbers were moving up or multiplying slow, which meant it wasn't a strong viable birth, and when they went backwards, it meant it died. I was very upset, and I did not trust what he had said, I made the hospital bring in another doctor for a second opinion. He confirmed that it was dead. I was very upset, put let them continue with the procedure. They took pictures, and found lots of scar tissue, that it had completely attached to my rectum wall, to my uterus. They claimed that my tubes reattached, and that they re cut them, burned them. NEVER SAID CLIPS!!!!AGAIN. I never had that pain like before, but I did have other issues, that I never had answers to and have put up with for 28 years. till now!!! I had hurt myself on my trip to Hawaii. I jumped from that large rock, many jump from, however, I am not as young! LOL It bruised my tailbone so bad, I was black and blue! 3 months later, and I still hurt, so I went to a chiropractor friend who said he would X ray for me, just to be on the safe side. To my shocking surprise! I SEE A CLIP! I asked my friend. What is that? He said it's common to see doctors leaving clips and clamps in people, he even told me it wasn't a big deal! I told him, IT WAS TO ME!!! The part that I am worried about is, There is only one in this picture, WHERE'S THE OTHER? Since this procedure happened so long ago, my records are most likely not still on file at the hospital. My thought is, HOW IS THIS LEGAL? they should disclose that they are putting a piece of metal in your body! You should have to agree to that! Now I have to have it removed. I feel they should be held responsible! Had I known sooner, I would have filed charges. I am still about to see if I still can. If anyone knows call me. write me dcake@roadrunner.com Thank you, My heart goes out to all these woman!!! We need our voices heard, so keep writing!! education is freedom, and we need more rights to protect ourselves. One more issue, I feel if a doctor cuts your stomach muscles to take out a baby, they should sew them back, tummy tucks should be covered under insurance, when you have a C- section or your stomach gets so stretched and wont go back!!! If this was happening to a man, It would already be a law in place!!! Thank you for listening, Debra

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  61. Hello to The world with a mouth of happiness..
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  62. Hi I am 24 years old, and I also had these clips done and I am having ALOT of pain. I looked into a reversal but they want almost 7 grand to get it done. I live in Pennsylvania and I do not have that kind of money does anyone have any suggestions for me. I would greatly appreciate it, thanks!

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  63. i had mine done 4 months ago today. ive had some abdominal pain but not too bad. but the aches in my back and spine are increasing every day i feel like i have been ran over or a sever cold aches in my back. it hurts real bad. i never imagined it could be from the clamps. wow. now everything makes sense. thank you so much for posting this. oh and im only 28 so all this back pain does not make sense. and i too am suffering hot sweats. if i would have known that all these "symptoms" could occur i would have never got it done. thank you for this blog as it has brought alot of lite to my concerns

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  64. I had Filshie clips applied on Feb 23 2013, I have since had pains, went to my gyno last week on tuesday and booked for an ultrasound , at the same time as i was being booked for an ultrasound my chiropractor ordered that i get an xray. Well i have photos of said xray, and i have a feeling that i know why ive been hurting so badly. I might add i am not a doctor obviously so im unsure if im correct or not. but judging by the post surgery pictures of the filshie clips, and the location of them now it seems as though one of my clips has come off. yes. Come off. So ive gone through months of suffering with this unexplained back pain and pelvic cramps, and through the surgery to get fixed to begin with for this stupid clip to simply just fall off.. and to boot, after i saw my xray i took a pregnancy test and got a faint line. I see my doctor on sept 9 to follow up the ultrasound results. I am so mad.

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  65. Thanks everyone for the info.. I was suppose to have this procedure after I delivered, but now I think not.

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  66. I had the metal clamps put in after I had my son in 2010, and for a while I have been having pain in my back, extremely heavy period with alot of clots, bad cramps during and sometimes after my period, i'm tired all of the time and just feel yuck. Could this be due to the clamps? I'm worried because I also have heart and lung problems which is why I got my tubes done in the first place, the stress on my body during pregnancy is tremendous and even though I would love to have another child I was scared to take the risk. What do you think?

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  67. Hi just read every bodys comments well I got sterilised 9years ago and all I have had for the 9 years is pain I keep talking to my gp and getting know where all they say is it could be ibs or infection. I have been thinking of going to the papers about this as the doctor just doesnt listen and will not refer u to the hospital to check it out.

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  68. Well i had my op last week and after 8 years of complaining of pain in my right hand side which had got worse lately, the surgeon found my Fallopian tube on the right hand side was all mangled and twisted so she took it out and inside it was a clip with all puss around it. I had to have something done to my bladder due to two clips previously forcing there way through it and coming out when i peed. The surgeon has left the Fallopian tube on the left side with two clips on it as she says it is normal and as it should be but i'm very upset by this as i dont want those things in my body!! Well after all these years and being told i had irritable bowel i hope this is an end to my pain! All i would say to any women considering this steralisation op is no no no dont do it!!!

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  70. This may sound like a crazy question... But, should both clamps be on one side? I had a hip xray done today and they are both on the right side, nothing on the left. The technician said it looks like 2 clamps were placed on the right tube, and none on the left... Anyone have the answer to this?

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  71. Hi Michelle I'm so glad I came across your story & happy to know i was not crazy & that those clips cost me a lot of pain & now money to remove them. I just had surgery on Tuesday to remove those clips which i had since 2005. They caused me much pain & my doctor treated me twice for infections but it was really just the clips irritating tissue. If i knew that they were using clips in the first place I would not have done the procedure, & what has me more upset now is that they could not find one clip, so it is floating around in my body & i am very concerned, although my doctor says i shouldn't worry about it, but to me it may cause problems

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  72. Hi all...I got a tubal ligation done two years ago..I was not aware of the Hulka Clips being used until after at my six week check up..The pain is real...it controls your life and after 2 years of chronic lower right pelvic pain and three doctors I finally got an appt at UNC Chapel Hill today.., the outcome is that my chronic pain and suffering is from Clips that were put in my body. The dr said its not known why 9 out of 10 women suffer predominent pain on their right tubes vs the left.. The options discussed was a hysteractomy or removal of the tubes ..this will be covered under insurance since it is not a reversal but a medically necessary surgery..Im only 35, seems to young to have all my female parts removed but at the same time Im tired of living everyday in pain..My visit today help me confirm Im not crazy or making this pain up..its real and I wish I would have never gotten this done....Hope this helps..Good Luck

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  73. Hi everyone I am also having horrible right side pain and have been having major uterus infections since april of this yr and need sone help if someone could text me please and help me thank you

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  74. Hi I got my tubs done when I was 24 I have been in the hospital they told me my clip where float around and it fine i am in alot of pain how do i make them listen to me I am now 41 came any one help me

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  75. Thanks so much for your blog. I was due to have sterilisation with these clips. I said I didn't want metal objects left inside my body! I wept when he said thats what they do! When I told the doc how ill the copper coil made me, he just gave me a smug look and said, " we wouldn't believe that the coil could do that!" These male doctors have no fricking clue! Us female's can feel whats going on in our body and if we are getting ill from some foreign body inside us, we know! ! We're not making it up! Bastards. Anyway I will no way be having these clips put inside me! Thanks :-)

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  77. Hello, I my self had the clips done back in 2011.... I also had the nova sure procedure done. I had a bleeding disorder is the reason I did this... I now really regret it.. I got divorced only a few months later. I started getting this pain right after my surgery didn't think anything of it. It's only on on my left side and it hurts to sneeze cough hiccup sex anything..although I haven't had a perdiod since April 2011 I am now engaged n really want another kid. I don't know who to turn to I have had test scans ultrasound (internal, external) and they say nothing is wrong. But the pain hurts really bad... Sitting standing any activities. I'm really gllad I found this blog and it's just not me. I really actually thought I was going crazy n losing my mind. Even the drs look at me weird.. idk what to do go in and demand them be removed or just live with the pain and continue to get test after test after test... Signed Confused

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  78. I had the clamps done in 2012. I told the doctor I wanted them cut, burnt, and tied. I have two children, I am 25, I did not want anymore children. My doctor kept asking me are you sure you want to do this you're awfully young!! I told him yes! I was absolutely sure! So I had my surgery and wake up to find he put clamps on my tubes!! Not what I asked for!!!! Ever since I have had excruciating pain in my lower abdomen that comes and goes. It's not everyday but when I do hurt, it is just awful! The pain starts in my lower abdomen, and spreads to my back, my ribs, and I have had pains shoot down my leg. It's hurt so bad at times, it also hurts me to sneeze, cough, move, do anything. It hurts to pick up my children and to have sex. I have been to the hospital several times, and they always say they can't find anything wrong with me, and I could have IBS, the same as many of you other ladies. I have been referred to a gastro dr have had countless x-rays, ultrasounds and a few ct scans. NO ONE can find anything. Now I am scheduled to have a colonoscopy/endoscopy! I've always had a feeling that the clamps had something to do with my pain. No one will listen to me either!!! After reading this blog/website, I have not doubt in my mind that it is the clamps and I am going to demand they be taken out of me. It has completely drained me. I have stronger menstrual cramps that leave me in bed clenching my stomach all day. I am losing weight like crazy!! I'm beginning to look sickly in my opinion. I stay sick to my stomach all the time, and can't eat!!! I want these clamps out of me!!!!!

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  79. Michelle, did you have a painful time that it felt like something had burst? I have pain once a month, i have had endometriosis removed a few times in past, then i had clips on, now i have back and abdo pain feels like gas blocked but about three months ago i was in horrendous pain and could not drive to doctor until next day, doctor said possible scar tissue attached to bowel??? im going to gynae in next few weeks to try and sort this i have always said this pain came after they put clips on five years ago! No one listens. its like talking to a wall!!

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  80. p.s i am thinking after reading your blog that the horrendous night of pain was maybe a clip coming loose!

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  81. I am so grateful that I found this site. I had a tubal done2 years ago March. Have had nothing but problems since. I started reading these posts and am thinking, omg, I am NOT crazy. I have body pains, joint ache, lower back pain, weird pains in my ribs, sharp knifing pains where the clips should be, horrible periods and have put on 40 pounds and have NO ENERGY to do anything! Local doctors all kinds of excuses, throid, gall bladder, depression (no kidding) oh it's because you are 40... well, I found a Doctor who didn't blink and eye in Cleveland that says he has heard of this. Essure is another birth control form that is very similar as the clips. I am going Wednesday to have the clips removed. I pray that this fixes the aches and pains and lets me get back to living life as a 40 year old, not an 80 one!

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  82. PLZ HELP EDUCATE ME:I'VE HAD THESE CLIPS SINCE 1990 & I'M SO TIRED OF IT.AS ALWAYS THEY TELL ME NOTHING.CAN I GET THEM OUT AT THIS POINT AND AGE.PLZ CONTACT ME :e_perez6719@yahoo.com; MY NAME IS VIVIAN

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    1. Go to an Reproductive Endocrinologist, and ask them to remove them! It's not a reversal, it's a medical procedure and should be covered by insurance. Hopefully they are still intact and not floating around like some women's! Good Luck!

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  83. I got my filche clips 2010.for the past 6 months I've had excruciating pain everyday n been taken to public hospital by ambulance 4 times only to be sent home with more pain killers.the nurses n doctors didn't now what filche clips even were and I was treated like a hypocondriac over n over.I wanted to kill myself cause no one would believe me that these clips(after researching this blog)I just knew they were my problem.pubic hospital wanted me to suffer on a 4 yr waiting list.my wonderful mother helped pay for private Gyno who still didn't believe it was the clips causing the pain but was willing to take them out for me.8 hours ago I had surgery to remove them.doc said one clip was so tight it had severed the tube and the clip was floating around.I knew it was the clips and I can now jump for joy.bit sore from surgery but no more foreign object extreme pain.thanks for this blog full of personal stories that made a lightbulb of determination in my mind to get the fuckers out.they were ruining my life.thanks very much for sharing.Candice qld.Australia

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  84. Oh and cutting a long story short I have 6 children and the last child I had filche clips put in without fully understanding and wish I have researched more.so happy there out.its not all in my head.instant relief.

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  85. Well, I had the clips removed 3 weeks ago, and I noticed a difference that night! No more pain! No more aches, joint pain, horrible period prior too, had my check up and the doctor said he hadn't known any women to have this problem with the filshie clips but is not surprised this help. I said well, if they don't know the clips are the problem, how are they going to tell you what's wrong! Thank goodness for these blogs and women speaking up! Before ANYONE puts ANY sort of metal in their bodies, they should be tested! PERIOD!

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  86. I had the clips in 2010 in 2012 i got rushed into hospital my obs were fine they took scans cts nothing druged me up yet was still in that much pain to wear they finally took me down opened me up to find my left clip had fallen off rupsured & abraised all my inside the scar tissue had wraped around it so it didnt show up had it removed they left in the right im now in pain again have been up to hospital spent a week in for them to send me out still in pain with 4 dionosis im now waiting to go back under to find out were what & were the pain is ive had off 1 doc clips do come off but shouldnt cause u pain its unpossible that both have fallen off & srugged it off im sick of sayin & askin if it could be the clip worse thing thats ever been put in my body apart from my ex lol i find it hard to get thongs done being a single mum to a 3 yr old pickin her up hurts :-(

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  87. So has anyone tried suing the hospital at all because my mother had the clips and just had surgery to get them removed because of all the pain they were causing her not to mention almost destroyed her intestines! So ive been telling her to sue!

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  88. How did you manage getting the doctors to remove the clips? Did you have to pay out of pocket for the removal surgery? My Dr. doesn't seem to think any of my problems are related to these damn clips. I would love her to write a referral to the surgical Dr. who put them in, and demand for them to be removed. But she won't. So the procedure will be all left on my shoulders with no insurance help. Just wondering how you managed you get them removed.

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    1. I went to a Reproductive Endocrinologist in Cleveland, didn't second guess it at all, you need to find a bigger city doctor that is INFORMED and UP on procedures to help.
      It has changed my life for the good!

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  89. I had a tubal done in 2004 after meeting my boyfriend now husband. I had a son that was 11 years old and did not want anymore children so I told my boyfriend if he expected to have anymore children to find someone else. Anyway I had my surgery done in August 2004 and when I went home that day I was sleeping and rolled from my back to my side or from my side to my back and something felt like it ripped. I called the office of the surgeon and they blew it off. My surgery was on a Wednesday, on Friday the surgeons nurse called checking up on me told her about the ripping feeling she said the doctor wasn't concerned. Was good all weekend until I went to get up on Monday to get my son off to school and had to literally crawl out of bed try to stand normal as not to scare my son and get him out the door. Called the gyno who recommended this doctor to me and he said to call the dr who did the surgery. He thought it unnecessary to be seen or checked. When I returned for my follow up appointment the first thing out of his mouth when coming in the room. Was I did nothing wrong and I asked if the surgery was the cut and burn procedure he said no it was the clips. I was appalled that he did the exact thing I ask him not to do. Ever since that surgery and now 10 years later I have issue and can not get anyone to remove the clips at all. So any recommendations

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  90. More Dr's need to be made aware of the pain these clips are causing. after 2 years with the clips i just had a hyst. removing the clips and tubes. My left clip was at the base of my uterus (explained the recent painful intercourse) the right clip had separated but was still close to the tub. My Dr required a lot of test to be done before agreeing to the surgery and made it very clear she couldn't say for sure that removing the clips would cure the chronic pain. It's been 4 weeks and i have been pain free.... I wish the FDA would look into these clips!

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  91. Hi all. Wow I stumbled across this site while looking up pain caused from clamps. I'm 49 I had my clamps put on 17 years ago and have always since then putting up with back pain. Recently my period went for two weeks. Never have I had a period that long. For the last 6 months I have had bloating and pain on my right side. I have an ultrasound tomorrow but by the sounds of things that I have read here it looks like an exray is needed to find out if these clamps are still where they are meant to be. Thank you to everyone who has posted on here for me to do what is necessary. You may email me if you have similar cases. Thank you. ellolyn09@hotmail.com

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  92. Yeah, it is rue that 9 out of 10 women feel pain in their right tube after their ligation surgery. To avoid such pain and having more children the Tubal Reversal is the only option that can help you.

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  93. Like PTLS, it's also a sad aspect of tubal ligation procedure. If you feel any problem like pain in the right tube, then you should have to choose Tubal Reversal surgery to get permanent rid of it.

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  94. Im 28 and a mom of one. My son is now ten and I had the clamps put on 8 years ago because my child has many health issues that are genetic so we wanted a more permanent birth control. So now 8 years later I am in excruciating pain all the time and I also have endometriosis to top it off... I was just informed that im having a reaction to the clamps and have to have both fallopian tubes removed! I've also been thru the whole work up for lupus and all the types of arthritis and so on because my joints are swollen and i am losing more and more function everyday. I was never told that this was a risk and that it was the only procedure I could get because ibwas too young for Cauterry

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  95. I recently went to the er due to intense pelvic pain and pressure. they done a ct scan and found thst I had a ruptured cyst but thats not all...the fishie clips that I had put on 8 years were not nowhere near my falopian tubes, they were close to my rectom. I am seeing a dr next week and hopefully they wiill remove them. I was not aware they could actuallu come off and move around my body.

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  96. Many doctors use clips to tie the fallopian tubes which sometimes, create pain in lower section of a woman. It also has various health symptoms. If you want to get rid of these health issues, then the Tubal Reversal is only a single choice.

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  97. I had mine done in 2009. A few months ago I started having pains. After having an ultrsound show nothing my dr decided to do exploratory surgery. I had the surgery yesterday and all they found was the clamps still in place, but both tubes are collapsed. I wonder if that is the cause of my pain. I want them removed so i can have more kids. I got the clamps because my thyroid was out of control and my ex didn't want anymore children. I just wonder if now I can have children.

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    1. I have two children already. I'm not sure what clamps I have

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  98. Hello, I just got my tubal ligation with clips 5 days ago. I figure I was going crazy with what I'm feeling since the doctor mention it's a fast recovery. All the symptoms you mention you had is exactly what I'm feeling at the moment. I have 4 kids and the smallest is 3 mths which I'm not even able to hold on my arms do to pain. I feel worthless. Please tell me what did you request done in order for them to remove the clips?

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  100. Yeah, rings and clips sometimes can be the cause of deep pain in c section and other symptoms that affect health of a woman. If you want to avoid these effects than Tubal Reversal surgery is only a useful option for you.

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  102. Just today I went back to Dr. Kreil at Midwest Medical Center in Dearborn, Michigan that performed the procedure putting these clips on. He told me not to listen to the comments of you all because it was a lie. I'm glad I listened to you all because this pain is no joke. The pain at times made me stop in my tracks and sometimes I be about to drop to my knees. Thank you all for your info about these clips. I'll be having my surgery soon to have them removed. God bless you all.

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  103. I just found out today that I have a clip on my right side and the left is done via the Pomerary method. I have extreme pain on my right side and it hurts 95% of the time with sex...
    What are my chances of becoming pregnant after this?

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  104. I had my baby in February of this year. I started having pain immediately after. I was in pain for about a week. I told my doctor and she did an ultrasound and said that there may still be some after birth. I had a d and c done.Still there was more pain on my right side. I went back in for another look. She originally thought it could be more after birth. There was another ultrasound. She decided on exploratory surgery. She ended up finding that the clip had lodged into my abdominal wall. She ended up having to remove my tubes completely. After that I would not stop bleeding. I had to go back in and gab l have an ablation done. Now, even if I wanted to have a reversal and have more kids I don't have that option. If you are experiencing pain, you should definitely get checked out. Luckily for me I had a doctor who listened to me before telling me it was all in my head.

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